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ChaosResolved
03-05-2006, 09:47 AM
The other day, I had this brilliant, brilliant idea. Why don't I listen to every album I own in alphabetical order? I began my foray into this deep, dark world with Abandoned Pools, but very soon found my way to bands like The Academy Is… I almost gave up, just two records in. But I would persist. Later that day, I got to Alice in Chains's Dirt, an album I'd purchased because somebody had convinced me that my early-year's disdain for the band was not well-founded. For eight bucks, how could I not afford to take the risk? Especially since this is supposed to be the "best band ever." On first listen, I did not like Dirt, but I kept it anyway.

I'd try to listen to it now and again to get the feeling. The only thing I ever liked about Alice in Chains was the absolute and utter irony that Layne Staley penned the song "Man in a Box." That makes me laugh, because death is funny to me.

Speaking of death being funny to me, why are so many people so easily offended by jokes at the expense of someone who has recently died? Every time I make a joke about such things, there's always somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody who was related to the deceased and they always tell me I shouldn't make jokes about that particular person's death. Look, ma'am or sir, I'm sorry he died, but it's not my fault that the news used the following lead-in to their show: "A Pleasanton man opens fire in his own home. Five are dead. A live report at 11." You heartless fucking writers. Why do you use "a live" right after you said "dead?" Why am I not allowed to make fun of this?

But back to Alice in Chains being a fucking boring, overrated, undertalented waste of my time. I don't care if Layne Staley's crooning was somewhat original for the time. Point is, it was very easily imitated and everybody and their grandmother imitated it in well-planned get-rich-quick schemes. Jerry Cantrell was a great guitarist? I don't hear it. Was no one aware that metal existed? Doesn't anyone see that that shit was boring, even for its time, but me?

But I will give Alice in Chains one thing: Their fans aren't nearly the retards that Pearl Jam fans are. Has anyone ever taken Pearl Jam fans seriously? Most of us moved on after Versus. Maybe even before then. Why did all of these other people stick around? Am I missing something here? Ten was a pretty good album, but not something that would cause me to schedule my life around a West Coast tour in mid-April. Ridiculous. How do people take Pearl Jam so seriously, yet cast off Creed so easily? "One" by Creed was way better than almost every Pearl Jam song. And "One" sucked. Which leads me to my attack on guitar magazines: Are you aware that Mark Tremonti was once named Best Guitarist in the World? Mark Tremonti, of Creed. Best guitarist in the world. I know this is limited to guitarists who put out an album that particular year, but come on! Mark Tremonti? Of Creed? The worst part was, he somehow used this and spun it when he started his new band (name forgotten), and had people believing he had unbelievable metal chops. Did you know he listened to Metallica? Crazy, isn't it? Unimaginable that a guitarist would listen to Metallica as a kid. Out of this world. Unheard of.

Selecting Mark Tremonti as Best Guitarist In the World 2001 isn't even the worst thing guitar magazines have done. Have you seen their selections for "Best Riffs?" At least Best Guitarist is selected by idiotic readers. People who dedicate their LIVES to guitars somehow selected "Bottom of a Bottle" by Smile Empty Soul as one of the best riffs of whatever year that was (2002? 2003?). How do people put credence in a magazine that does this? How do they maintain a readership? Then they always throw in one metal riff per year to keep the true metalheads happy. And it's always Zakk Wylde. Always. Now that Dimebag Darrell is dead, anyway. Now that's a guitarist. Great riffs, great solos, dirty, looked the part. Zakk Wylde is a shitty riff writer, dammit. Amazing guitarist, for sure, but his riffs are so bad. And his voice is worse. The guy should record nothing but solos. Hand the songwriting duties off to somebody else, then just drop a fucking badass solo every twenty seconds. Play to your strengths. Maybe that's what Jerry Cantrell does, the badass solos. I don't know. I never saw Alice in Chains live. But why would I have? They aren't good or interesting or worth my time and money.

I guess the only illogical thing to do now is talk about Stone Temple Pilots. This is probably the only Seattle band that I mildly enjoy. Purple or 13 Gracious Melodies was pretty good for its time, but didn't fare well with the Future Listens Faerie. Tiny Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop didn't do anything for me. No. 4 is actually the only STP record I enjoy all the way through. Then they rushed the follow up that I dismissed almost immediately. Later, the DeLeo Brothers would produce an Alien Ant Farm record. And the singer would end up in rehab and in that supergroup with Slash. That group should have formed back in 1994. They would have been amazing. How long had it been since Slash actually recorded guitar tracks in a studio? No one was concerned about the rust? Coke-fueled days and booze-filled nights don't really keep a guitarist on the cutting edge. Well, I guess they have to use SOMETHING for the coke, but it's not a guitar pick, most likely.

I can't believe I've gone this far into this and never mentioned Nirvana, the holy grail of overrated shit. I was living in Seattle when all of this stuff was blowing up. My sister went to a few PJ and Nirvana shows without my parents' knowledge. She loved them. I tried to get into them, but it just never worked. Years later, people are finally seeing things from my perspective. Nowadays, any respected music journalist will tell you that In Utero had too much filler and that Nevermind did as well. Yet when I said, "Only these three songs are worth a shit" as a twelve-year old, I didn't know what I was talking about. When I pulled out From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah and listened strictly to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Heartshaped Box," was it because they were huge singles or because they were the only tunes worth a damn?

Nothing makes me angrier than hearing that Failure sounded like Nirvana, by the way. Nothing. Why? Because Failure is one of my top three all time favorite bands and, try as I might, I never hear the similarities. You naysayers almost have a point with Comfort. Which, by the way, Steve Albini worked on, which gives you fucks something as "proof" that they ripped off Nirvana. Strangely, Failure got to Albini first, so there goes that. Thanks for playing, please come again. Nirvana never wrote an album that was as good as Fantastic Planet. Then again, Failure never wrote an album as overtly influential as Nevermind. Failure's standing in rock history will probably live on longer, as they've inspired people to do more than just copy a sound. No one who hears Fantastic Planet today thinks it's all that special. But consider the fact that it was recorded in 1995 and that, over the next ten years, its sound would be blatantly stolen, regurgitated, and dumbed down, and OF COURSE you're not going to see how great it is. It was a groundbreaking album that got beaten to death by people who saw where it could go. Nirvana's place in music history ended the day rap took back the airwaves. Or will once Seether finally puts themselves out of my misery.

Soundgarden's one of very few Seattle bands I take seriously. But, like most Seattle bands, I also did not like them while I was in the area. When I got to Sacramento, one of the members of Quitter was talking to me and brought them up and I vehemently held my position against the band. He told me to go pick up Down on the Upside used somewhere. I changed my mind in a hurry. The only problem I have with Soundgarden is that their albums tend to drag on. They should really have released 50% more albums and staggered the releases. 50 minutes of Soundgarden? Great! 70 minutes of Soundgarden? You're pushing it.

But that's all one man's opinion. I'm sure many, many people will disagree, but this is just how I see it. Keep in mind that, while I was living in Seattle, Coolio, 2Pac, and Green Day were my favorite music artists. Well, maybe not Coolio. His video for "Fantastic Voyage" was on a lot, though, and it was enjoyable. If he's in my list of favorite artists from 1994, then TLC should be too. Three fine black ladies telling me not to follow dreams that had no logical conclusions while dancing in water? How are you not a fan? Then one of them destroyed Andre Rison's home and, inevitably, his career. Another got fat. Is the other one still hot? Oh well, she's 40 now, isn't she? I guess it was just 2Pac and Green Day, then. I apologize for the profanity.

--Ben Rice

ChaosResolved
03-05-2006, 09:48 AM
I pretty much agree with everything you said here. Failure was amazing, Nirvana sucked balls.

jared
03-05-2006, 10:04 AM
Grunge might have been bad (I, like Ben, can only appreciate a select few songs), but you have to admit it was head over heels above that 80's hair metal/glam-rock stuff.

brent white
03-05-2006, 10:11 AM
I pretty much agree with everything you said here. Failure was amazing, Nirvana sucked balls.
lol.

Kamran
03-05-2006, 11:42 AM
i would take this article seriously if ben had put any actual arguments within it.

also, you're a dreamer if you think people will remember Failure before Nirvana.

edit: one more thing: ben rice went ape shit, dick crazy for panic! at the disco, once more proving he has no validity to anything he says. ever.

sir mix-a-lot
03-05-2006, 01:48 PM
i would take this article seriously if ben had put any actual arguments within it.

also, you're a dreamer if you think people will remember Failure before Nirvana.

edit: one more thing: ben rice went ape shit, dick crazy for panic! at the disco, once more proving he has no validity to anything he says. ever.
you have valid points. i honestly don't think Failure will be remembered over time, but those who do the research will find that they had a much larger impact on the future of music than nirvana, who supposedly are just a few steps below the beatles on the influence scale.

also, mark tremonti was named best guitarist in the world in 1999. sorry about that.

brent white
03-05-2006, 02:18 PM
but those who do the research will find that they had a much larger impact on the future of music than nirvana
.

there's a difference between a biased opinion and an informed opinion. here, ben displays he's the master at executing both in the same sentence. this is the stupidist thing i've ever heard from you.

sir mix-a-lot
03-05-2006, 02:40 PM
i'd like to hear you refute it. you have to take that quote in context and realize i'm talking about people looking back on music twenty years from now.

ChaosResolved
03-05-2006, 02:42 PM
also, mark tremonti was named best guitarist in the world in 1999. sorry about that.

We all know you aren't one for fact-checking ;)

brent white
03-05-2006, 02:43 PM
i'd like to hear you refute it. you have to take that quote in context and realize i'm talking about people looking back on music twenty years from now.
look for a refute in one week which i've already named, "Why Nirvana mattered."

sir mix-a-lot
03-05-2006, 02:50 PM
ok, awesome.

and i didn't really fact-check that. i thought about it after i sent it in and i was like, "wait, i remember being pissed that mike einziger wasn't picked for his work on make yourself." which came out in '99. i am dumb.

Amazingthemike
03-05-2006, 04:32 PM
Interesting read. I agree with the PJ and AIC comments. As far as STP goes, No. 4 is a shit album, how you can like that one most is beyond me. Nirvana is and always be the cream of the crop of the bands of that time, though Soundgarden (before the watered-down crap) give them a run for their money. You didn't even touch The Melvins. Failure is top notch.

daganjatribe
03-05-2006, 06:12 PM
good article, i too agreed with mostly everything said, especially about alice in chains and TLC. and while i respect nirvana and stp and somewhat pearl jam, i will concede i dont like their music.

rmgebhardt
03-05-2006, 07:06 PM
I loved every single motherfucking grunge band back in the day. I ate it up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Then I heard a few good metal bands and it was all over. I would never go back to grunge.

tim
03-06-2006, 10:12 AM
i hate nirvana. i liked failure's one good album. but, guess what? nirvana is still more important than failure. nirvana, even though in my opinion they sucked, changed the face of music forever. to this day, music is still affected by nirvana and the waves they made in pop music. sad, but true.

Kamran
03-06-2006, 10:39 AM
out of curiousity, how many of you enjoy the sex pistols?

rmgebhardt
03-06-2006, 10:57 AM
out of curiousity, how many of you enjoy the sex pistols?
A couple of their songs are good. Don't really care for a ton of their catalog though.

brent white
03-06-2006, 01:56 PM
A couple of their songs are good. Don't really care for a ton of their catalog though.
lol they recorded one album rick.

rmgebhardt
03-06-2006, 02:13 PM
lol they recorded one album rick.
Seriously? I thought they had done more than just Never Mind the Bollocks. Huh.

rustycage
03-06-2006, 05:46 PM
You and your article are overrated.

Tremonti sucks too.

edit: and that chick from TLC is fucking dead you moron.

and yes, Nirvana is a little bit overrated, but have you ever heard of the term: GOOD TIMING?

that's what they did.

sir mix-a-lot
03-06-2006, 06:33 PM
if good timing is what makes you worthy a shit-ton of praise, then damon wayans is the greatest comedian of all time.

also, as i recall, left eye is the one who died (aka andre rison's crazy ex). my question still stands: what became of chili???

Kamran
03-06-2006, 07:15 PM
can we at least all agree that ben is a long-necked freak and move on?

sir mix-a-lot
03-06-2006, 07:23 PM
oh wait, i just realized rustycage thought i was defending mark tremonti. way to understand the context of my writings. good job, bud!

rustycage
03-06-2006, 07:29 PM
no, I didn't.

I said: Tremonti sucks.

And he does. But don't tell me most bands from the grunge era suck because they don't. Yes, PJ has gone to hell, but they are an amazing band live, and they've been around for more than 10 years. I don't see any band that came out the past few years doing the same thing in 15 years. I hope I'm wrong though.

Matt Birhanzel
03-07-2006, 06:36 AM
There's only one thing you got right in that whole article:

mark tremonti does suck...

no god controls me
03-14-2006, 07:50 PM
well if u ask me greatest guitarist is alexi from children of bodom weather u like him or not he's fucking good

Roncag
03-14-2006, 08:10 PM
no, I didn't.

I said: Tremonti sucks.

And he does. But don't tell me most bands from the grunge era suck because they don't. Yes, PJ has gone to hell, but they are an amazing band live, and they've been around for more than 10 years. I don't see any band that came out the past few years doing the same thing in 15 years. I hope I'm wrong though.

Since when is longevity the standard for a great band? I'm not knocking PJ cause I like them, but I just didn't buy that argument.

rustycage
03-14-2006, 08:42 PM
I'm not saying longevity is THE standard for greatness in a band, but longevity brings maturity, and to me, that's what happened to PJ, I could use the same example with Collective Soul (yes, Collective Soul), but that doesn't mean they're writing their best songs now, actually, I don't really like PJ's last records (Riot Act a little bit) but they sound very solid, are amazing live, it doesn't matter their charm onstage is not the same as it used to be, they're great when it comes to musicianship as a whole (Matt Cameron is a drum god though).

Roncag
03-14-2006, 08:45 PM
It's funny, cause in general Ten and Vs are considered Pearl Jam's best efforts and most popular, but I believe they are by far their worst albums, artisticly speaking. I feel they matured immensly and are only now writing really amazing music and growing as song writers. I also feel this is the reason they no longer sell 10 million albums, because they don't cater to a crowd or radio.

I just felt the longetivy comment really meant little since bands like The Rolling Stones and Black Sabbath have been churning out albums for over 30 years, but haven't made a relevant album in nearly 20.

red
03-14-2006, 08:46 PM
you stole this from my livejournal you fruit

rustycage
03-14-2006, 08:58 PM
I don't know, PJ is my favorite band, so basically I always ask for more when I listen to something new from them, I'm digging the new song, a lot, but their last two albums didn't do it for me, with the exception of several songs from Riot Act, Thumbing My Way is one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs.

Maybe that's the reason why you might see Cobain posters in kids' practice rooms but not Vedder's. They got over it and moved on, just compare Thumbing... with Immortality, that's what I was talking about when I mentioned maturity.

Roncag
03-14-2006, 09:04 PM
you stole this from my livejournal you fruit

me?

SketchesOfSpain
03-14-2006, 09:05 PM
It's funny, cause in general Ten and Vs are considered Pearl Jam's best efforts and most popular, but I believe they are by far their worst albums, artisticly speaking.

Totally agree. They've only gotten better at songwriting, adding more tricks up their sleeve with each release. They also have everything you'd want in a band if you're searching for artistic integrity and longevity. Each release is always independent of the last, never feeling like a rehash of previous successes. They make some original artwork/packaging for each album. All the musicians complement one another, there isn't a weak link in the band. Personally, I think 'Yield' is their masterpiece.

Roncag
03-14-2006, 09:10 PM
Yield is brilliant. I also thought No Code was amazing. Critics bashed it and they have been out of the limelight ever since and I think it's just been great for them. They make raw, edgy, truly americana rock albums that are just honest. They still sell a million albums each time which makes them truly relevant for a band that gets little in the way of mega media attention anymore. No gimmicks.

rustycage
03-14-2006, 09:19 PM
I LOVE Yield and No Code, don't get me wrong, I was talking about Binaural and Riot Act, the latter not so bad to my taste.

Kamran
03-15-2006, 12:07 AM
yield is probably my favorite PJ disc.

iamnotyourbroom
03-15-2006, 12:41 AM
I loved every single motherfucking grunge band back in the day. I ate it up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Then I heard a few good metal bands and it was all over. I would never go back to grunge.


i was the same way...but unfortunately for me i added a little nu-metal period between the two....i'll go back to grunge every once in awhile when i'm feeling the vibe...or because my roommate still wears flannel and doc martins...it still holds a special, albeit small, place in my heart

and tremonti was really pretty good....even though creed wasn't

thinkstandard
03-21-2006, 03:55 PM
I don't know, PJ is my favorite band, so basically I always ask for more when I listen to something new from them, I'm digging the new song, a lot, but their last two albums didn't do it for me, with the exception of several songs from Riot Act, Thumbing My Way is one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs.

Maybe that's the reason why you might see Cobain posters in kids' practice rooms but not Vedder's. They got over it and moved on, just compare Thumbing... with Immortality, that's what I was talking about when I mentioned maturity.

whoa.. immortality blows thumbing my way out of the water! but that's just my thought. there's no arguing opinion. but whew.. immortality didn't win theskyiscrape.com's best song of the year poll in .04 for no reason.

(great discussion on PJ though folks!)

M.J.Austin
03-21-2006, 04:03 PM
I stopped paying attention to Pearl Jam after Ten.

joy wants eternity
04-03-2006, 03:53 AM
I guess the only illogical thing to do now is talk about Stone Temple Pilots. This is probably the only Seattle band that I mildly enjoy.

Although you could call them a "Seattle band" because the majors were so quick to cookie cutter the Seattle sound that this was the first band to come out of the oven... I can assure you, STP is not from Seattle. Kurt would have shot himself a lot sooner if that were the case.