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Lucch22
Posted at 03/06/2008 07:43PM

Age: 26

Location:
Long Island

Zeitgeist - The Movie

For anyone who questions the institutions that are in place in America, take a look at this film.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

Composing
Posted at 03/06/2008 07:47PM

Age: 25

Location:
Waterloo, Ontario

This film loses credit as it goes on

Top Ten of 2009 http://www.decoymusic.com/users/3747/top_tens/2009

scott.m
Posted at 03/06/2008 07:51PM

Location:

This again? Let me go grab my tinfoil hat...

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Lucch22
Posted at 03/06/2008 07:54PM

Age: 26

Location:
Long Island

::laughing::

I was unaware that it was aleady posted.

scott.m
Posted at 03/06/2008 08:12PM

Location:

No prob, I think someone was plugging it around here several months ago. I watched it, and felt it made some interesting, if somewhat unoriginal, unsubstantiated and even occasionally irrelevant points. What I found even more interesting, however, was that someone defaming widespread manipulation through misinformation is so vague in his presentation and citations, instead using hyperbolic rhetoric and a self-assured tone of voice as his primary method of "proving" his points.

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monkeybars
Posted at 03/06/2008 08:23PM

Age: 25

Location:
Markham, ON

I thought the religion part was really interesting. Hopefully this can make some people see religion as a place to get their values from, rather than a factual story.

P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.

NapalmTheChildren
Posted at 03/06/2008 08:49PM

Location:
Jersey / Raleigh

scott.m

No prob, I think someone was plugging it around here several months ago. I watched it, and felt it made some interesting, if somewhat unoriginal, unsubstantiated and even occasionally irrelevant points. What I found even more interesting, however, was that someone defaming widespread manipulation through misinformation is so vague in his presentation and citations, instead using hyperbolic rhetoric and a self-assured tone of voice as his primary method of "proving" his points.

yeah i posted this a few months ago, i really liked it. i will admit that the 9/11 stuff has no credible evidence to support it. what parts did you feel were disinfo?

as for the tinfoil hats comment, if you are naive enough to assume things that you are told by our government or religion are all true, then your living in a dream world. if you have 3 and 1/2 hours to devote to watching a documentary that is loaded with facts and historical records, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 is for you. its kinda boring and us basicly the equivalent of watching a text book if you would also like to debate facts and opinions instead of being dismissive and sounding like a grumpy cunt, im all for that.

Lucch22
Posted at 03/06/2008 09:27PM

Age: 26

Location:
Long Island

I was once at a practice doctoral dissertation defense where the man who was defending his dissertation began to speak about his research into some American government conspiracies. He spoke about the origins of the drug LSD. He mentioned that the laws against use of LSD are incredibly strict. The laws were apparently rooted in Cold War America. Being caught with LSD was essential equal to treason.

America believed that the USSR (Russia) was sending spies over to America that had alternate personalities induced by means of LSD. The American goverment began conducting tests in which psyciatrists would give people large amounts of LSD and through hypnosis, attempt to induce a dissociative identity. Under this new identity, goverment officials hoped that they could send these people over to the USSR to collect information. Once they returned to the USA, the process would be reversed after the information they needed was obtained.

As it turns out, these test failed miserably. The tests typically resulted in the individual becoming severe impaired by the LSD. Many of the participants in the tests just disapeared, never to be heard of again.

monkeybars
Posted at 03/06/2008 10:00PM

Age: 25

Location:
Markham, ON

Mmm... Hmm... That sounds like a brilliant, foolproof plan. Not buying it.

P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.

scott.m
Posted at 03/06/2008 10:05PM

Location:

NapalmTheChildren

yeah i posted this a few months ago, i really liked it. i will admit that the 9/11 stuff has no credible evidence to support it. what parts did you feel were disinfo?

as for the tinfoil hats comment, if you are naive enough to assume things that you are told by our government or religion are all true, then your living in a dream world. if you have 3 and 1/2 hours to devote to watching a documentary that is loaded with facts and historical records, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 is for you. its kinda boring and us basicly the equivalent of watching a text book if you would also like to debate facts and opinions instead of being dismissive and sounding like a grumpy cunt, im all for that.

Is that you, Peter Joseph? I wasn't trying to sound like a "grump cunt" (though nice job making yourself sound exactly like your insult of choice), and I didn't say that the film was disinforming viewers (though I'm pretty sure some of it is incorrect, such as the portion about the supposed illegality of income tax ... and if I remember correctly the filmmaker even admits that viewers shouldn't take his info as the 100% accurate), nor am I naive about the roles of government and religion (which you would know if you paid attention to any of my posts around here); I was simply expressing my opinion that the film's presentation suffers from similar evils to those it attempts to vilify, seeming vague and propagandistic with its use of fear mongering jargon like the ubiquitous "they"s it throws around, and so on. It's clearly touches upon some thought-provoking and powerful topics that are relevant problems in our modern world (though, regardless of what some overzealous bloggers might think, it's clearly not the revolutionary "first time" these issues have been addressed), but does so somewhat haphazardly, seeming to place emphasis on triggering knee-jerk righteous indignation over doing real justice to its more intriguing bits and pieces. This was probably an intentional choice, but it didn't sit well with me. And that might be my inner film critic talking.

Damn, I knew if I came in here an argument would start, but I clicked that shit anyway. Oh well.

Beer Blog

scott.m
Posted at 03/06/2008 10:09PM

Location:

Lucch22

I was once at a practice doctoral dissertation defense where the man who was defending his dissertation began to speak about his research into some American government conspiracies. He spoke about the origins of the drug LSD. He mentioned that the laws against use of LSD are incredibly strict. The laws were apparently rooted in Cold War America. Being caught with LSD was essential equal to treason.

America believed that the USSR (Russia) was sending spies over to America that had alternate personalities induced by means of LSD. The American goverment began conducting tests in which psyciatrists would give people large amounts of LSD and through hypnosis, attempt to induce a dissociative identity. Under this new identity, goverment officials hoped that they could send these people over to the USSR to collect information. Once they returned to the USA, the process would be reversed after the information they needed was obtained.

As it turns out, these test failed miserably. The tests typically resulted in the individual becoming severe impaired by the LSD. Many of the participants in the tests just disapeared, never to be heard of again.

I like this story.

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HammeroftheGods
Posted at 03/06/2008 11:59PM

Location:
Norman OK

I can't possibly be the only one who thought this had something to do with Smashing Pumpkins.

soonalighton
Posted at 03/07/2008 05:38AM

Location:
Queens, NYC

My friends are really into this.... I gotta find new friends.

xtakesthesquare
Posted at 03/07/2008 05:52AM

Location:
New Jersey

I watched this over the summer at work. The religion bit was interesting, but it just couldn't let itself stay credible.

when i see it in your eyes
i just want to go blind

NapalmTheChildren
Posted at 03/07/2008 10:28AM

Location:
Jersey / Raleigh

monkeybars

Mmm... Hmm... That sounds like a brilliant, foolproof plan. Not buying it.

your dumb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

and scott m, yeah dude i knew this was gunna take a turn for the worse when i saw this up there too, my bad for antagonizing. the income tax stuff and its illegal nature is fully explained in that first video i posted, but a summarized and overexaggerated version of it is a documentary here- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 . while i do agree with you that alot of this could be viewed as propaganda, there is alot of factual backing to what all these videos are saying (except for the 9/11 stuff). i think that alot of these questions could be answered by the govt if they could just be a little more transparent. for example, one of the big arguments that the 911 people have is that a plane didnt hit the pentagon, and there is apparently mad video cameras that filmed the plane, videos that the govt wont release. well you could shut these people up by just releasing the vids. but they dont, and now people start to question.

rustycage
Posted at 03/07/2008 11:06AM

Location:

HammeroftheGods

I can't possibly be the only one who thought this had something to do with Smashing Pumpkins.

guilty here

rustycage
Posted at 03/07/2008 11:15AM

Location:

I've heard the LSD story, and just like the movie, I think it has some credible arguments, and like the guy who did it said: for truth is not told, it is realized.

But, to be fair and realistic, we will never know the truth.

schenkers
Posted at 03/07/2008 11:25AM

Location:

The LSD story reminds me of Jacob's Ladder, one of the better horror movies to hit the screen. Amirite Scott?

monkeybars
Posted at 03/07/2008 12:30PM

Age: 25

Location:
Markham, ON

NapalmTheChildren

your dumb

Oh goodness. If you're going to insult my intelligence, don't make a grammatical error that gives readers the impression you haven't finished grade school.

P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.

Rich
Posted at 03/07/2008 12:56PM

Age: 26

Location:
Leeds, England

"your retarded" is my personal favourite.

Lucch22 Posted at 03/06/2008 07:43PM Age: 26 Location: Long Island	Zeitgeist - The Movie For anyone who questions the institutions that are in place in America, take a look at this film. http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
Composing Posted at 03/06/2008 07:47PM Age: 25 Location: Waterloo, Ontario	This film loses credit as it goes on Top Ten of 2009 http://www.decoymusic.com/users/3747/top_tens/2009
scott.m Posted at 03/06/2008 07:51PM Location:	This again? Let me go grab my tinfoil hat... Beer Blog
Lucch22 Posted at 03/06/2008 07:54PM Age: 26 Location: Long Island	::laughing:: I was unaware that it was aleady posted.
scott.m Posted at 03/06/2008 08:12PM Location:	No prob, I think someone was plugging it around here several months ago. I watched it, and felt it made some interesting, if somewhat unoriginal, unsubstantiated and even occasionally irrelevant points. What I found even more interesting, however, was that someone defaming widespread manipulation through misinformation is so vague in his presentation and citations, instead using hyperbolic rhetoric and a self-assured tone of voice as his primary method of "proving" his points. Beer Blog
monkeybars Posted at 03/06/2008 08:23PM Age: 25 Location: Markham, ON	I thought the religion part was really interesting. Hopefully this can make some people see religion as a place to get their values from, rather than a factual story. P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.
NapalmTheChildren Posted at 03/06/2008 08:49PM Location: Jersey / Raleigh	scott.m No prob, I think someone was plugging it around here several months ago. I watched it, and felt it made some interesting, if somewhat unoriginal, unsubstantiated and even occasionally irrelevant points. What I found even more interesting, however, was that someone defaming widespread manipulation through misinformation is so vague in his presentation and citations, instead using hyperbolic rhetoric and a self-assured tone of voice as his primary method of "proving" his points. yeah i posted this a few months ago, i really liked it. i will admit that the 9/11 stuff has no credible evidence to support it. what parts did you feel were disinfo? as for the tinfoil hats comment, if you are naive enough to assume things that you are told by our government or religion are all true, then your living in a dream world. if you have 3 and 1/2 hours to devote to watching a documentary that is loaded with facts and historical records, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 is for you. its kinda boring and us basicly the equivalent of watching a text book if you would also like to debate facts and opinions instead of being dismissive and sounding like a grumpy cunt, im all for that.
Lucch22 Posted at 03/06/2008 09:27PM Age: 26 Location: Long Island	I was once at a practice doctoral dissertation defense where the man who was defending his dissertation began to speak about his research into some American government conspiracies. He spoke about the origins of the drug LSD. He mentioned that the laws against use of LSD are incredibly strict. The laws were apparently rooted in Cold War America. Being caught with LSD was essential equal to treason. America believed that the USSR (Russia) was sending spies over to America that had alternate personalities induced by means of LSD. The American goverment began conducting tests in which psyciatrists would give people large amounts of LSD and through hypnosis, attempt to induce a dissociative identity. Under this new identity, goverment officials hoped that they could send these people over to the USSR to collect information. Once they returned to the USA, the process would be reversed after the information they needed was obtained. As it turns out, these test failed miserably. The tests typically resulted in the individual becoming severe impaired by the LSD. Many of the participants in the tests just disapeared, never to be heard of again.
monkeybars Posted at 03/06/2008 10:00PM Age: 25 Location: Markham, ON	Mmm... Hmm... That sounds like a brilliant, foolproof plan. Not buying it. P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.
scott.m Posted at 03/06/2008 10:05PM Location:	NapalmTheChildren yeah i posted this a few months ago, i really liked it. i will admit that the 9/11 stuff has no credible evidence to support it. what parts did you feel were disinfo? as for the tinfoil hats comment, if you are naive enough to assume things that you are told by our government or religion are all true, then your living in a dream world. if you have 3 and 1/2 hours to devote to watching a documentary that is loaded with facts and historical records, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 is for you. its kinda boring and us basicly the equivalent of watching a text book if you would also like to debate facts and opinions instead of being dismissive and sounding like a grumpy cunt, im all for that. Is that you, Peter Joseph? I wasn't trying to sound like a "grump cunt" (though nice job making yourself sound exactly like your insult of choice), and I didn't say that the film was disinforming viewers (though I'm pretty sure some of it is incorrect, such as the portion about the supposed illegality of income tax ... and if I remember correctly the filmmaker even admits that viewers shouldn't take his info as the 100% accurate), nor am I naive about the roles of government and religion (which you would know if you paid attention to any of my posts around here); I was simply expressing my opinion that the film's presentation suffers from similar evils to those it attempts to vilify, seeming vague and propagandistic with its use of fear mongering jargon like the ubiquitous "they"s it throws around, and so on. It's clearly touches upon some thought-provoking and powerful topics that are relevant problems in our modern world (though, regardless of what some overzealous bloggers might think, it's clearly not the revolutionary "first time" these issues have been addressed), but does so somewhat haphazardly, seeming to place emphasis on triggering knee-jerk righteous indignation over doing real justice to its more intriguing bits and pieces. This was probably an intentional choice, but it didn't sit well with me. And that might be my inner film critic talking. Damn, I knew if I came in here an argument would start, but I clicked that shit anyway. Oh well. Beer Blog
scott.m Posted at 03/06/2008 10:09PM Location:	Lucch22 I was once at a practice doctoral dissertation defense where the man who was defending his dissertation began to speak about his research into some American government conspiracies. He spoke about the origins of the drug LSD. He mentioned that the laws against use of LSD are incredibly strict. The laws were apparently rooted in Cold War America. Being caught with LSD was essential equal to treason. America believed that the USSR (Russia) was sending spies over to America that had alternate personalities induced by means of LSD. The American goverment began conducting tests in which psyciatrists would give people large amounts of LSD and through hypnosis, attempt to induce a dissociative identity. Under this new identity, goverment officials hoped that they could send these people over to the USSR to collect information. Once they returned to the USA, the process would be reversed after the information they needed was obtained. As it turns out, these test failed miserably. The tests typically resulted in the individual becoming severe impaired by the LSD. Many of the participants in the tests just disapeared, never to be heard of again. I like this story. Beer Blog
HammeroftheGods Posted at 03/06/2008 11:59PM Location: Norman OK	I can't possibly be the only one who thought this had something to do with Smashing Pumpkins.
soonalighton Posted at 03/07/2008 05:38AM Location: Queens, NYC	My friends are really into this.... I gotta find new friends.
xtakesthesquare Posted at 03/07/2008 05:52AM Location: New Jersey	I watched this over the summer at work. The religion bit was interesting, but it just couldn't let itself stay credible. when i see it in your eyes i just want to go blind
NapalmTheChildren Posted at 03/07/2008 10:28AM Location: Jersey / Raleigh	monkeybars Mmm... Hmm... That sounds like a brilliant, foolproof plan. Not buying it. your dumb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA and scott m, yeah dude i knew this was gunna take a turn for the worse when i saw this up there too, my bad for antagonizing. the income tax stuff and its illegal nature is fully explained in that first video i posted, but a summarized and overexaggerated version of it is a documentary here- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 . while i do agree with you that alot of this could be viewed as propaganda, there is alot of factual backing to what all these videos are saying (except for the 9/11 stuff). i think that alot of these questions could be answered by the govt if they could just be a little more transparent. for example, one of the big arguments that the 911 people have is that a plane didnt hit the pentagon, and there is apparently mad video cameras that filmed the plane, videos that the govt wont release. well you could shut these people up by just releasing the vids. but they dont, and now people start to question.
rustycage Posted at 03/07/2008 11:06AM Location:	HammeroftheGods I can't possibly be the only one who thought this had something to do with Smashing Pumpkins. guilty here
rustycage Posted at 03/07/2008 11:15AM Location:	I've heard the LSD story, and just like the movie, I think it has some credible arguments, and like the guy who did it said: for truth is not told, it is realized. But, to be fair and realistic, we will never know the truth.
schenkers Posted at 03/07/2008 11:25AM Location:	The LSD story reminds me of Jacob's Ladder, one of the better horror movies to hit the screen. Amirite Scott?
monkeybars Posted at 03/07/2008 12:30PM Age: 25 Location: Markham, ON	NapalmTheChildren your dumb Oh goodness. If you're going to insult my intelligence, don't make a grammatical error that gives readers the impression you haven't finished grade school. P.S. This is what the alphabet would look like if you removed Q and R.
Rich Posted at 03/07/2008 12:56PM Age: 26 Location: Leeds, England	"your retarded" is my personal favourite.

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